Post by greenfield on Aug 14, 2019 23:27:48 GMT -5
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The story has it, and alot of the old timers in Alabama know of this as i was told by one of Ted Mcleans yard boys, Mr Mclean and Mr Gilmore had fought a couple of "Hatch" cocks with gaffs on to see who was the better of the two for future use in the brood pens (Cockers back in the days would use such selection), both being green legged and pea combed, both very good birds, but the Hatch cock that Mr Mclean held and released totally demolished the other cock, as the story was told to me, the cock that won that match up was taken by Mr Mclean to be set as his brood cock for the upcoming breeding season, the other cock that Mr Gilmore released and handled was hurt pretty bad but lived because most of the time in that little match up the cock Mr Gilmore had kept on running (Lack of Gameness). Mr Mclean told Mr Gilmore to get rid of it, but Mr Gilmore felt he should heal him up and breed him. So folks, this was told to me by an old timer during my quest to purchase a good Hatch bloodline, i dont know if theirs any truth to this, but im just relaying what i heard. Im sure their are good hatches out there in the Mcleans and Gilmores, but i suggest, if you pay money for a Hatch brood cock from any lines, no matter the cost or the name of the breeder, find out for yourself how game they really are by testing them, some people feel they shouldnt test them because of the name of the breeder they bought it from, but i assure you, it will save you time and money in the long run. if any of you is interested in good hatch blood, try Mr Paul Webster's Mclean Hatches, i bought me a brood stag and tested him myself and now hes a two timer in the LK, if you want Gilmores try Mr Harvard Stewart's (Marengo Creek) Gilmore Hatches, they are the best ive seen and they are coming from the orginal lines, dark green legged, pea combed, and darker in color. Mr Kurt McBryar, Gene Brown, Mike Lanier, and Mike Ramsey has awesome Hatches that are winning today.
Lun Gilmore: By BluffCreek :
lun gilmore was a cocker and a good friens of ben ford,they fought birds with and agianst each other for over 60 years..lun gilmore accired his birds direct from sanford hatch and mike kearny ...when mike crossed the kearny brown reds on the hatch birds they were awsome as any ever bred til this day...sanford wanted to breed em back to the yellow legged side but mike insisted on breedin them one more time to the brown red side and produced them to fight.fight they did and won some derbies against everyone at that time,he wanted to breed a cock of his fathers breeding which was the kerany whitehackle to the sanford ,kerany,kerany breedings- from this breeding he had 17 black birds with white specs in them and over 40 brownred lookin birds,,he then crossed these back on the brown reds-having the kearny white hackle in them and hatch blood they came all dark fowl with green leggs-mike give lun glimore 6 hens and one dark red cock to breed over them=this was the origination of the gilmore hatch fowl -and the ben ford fowl-these birds was given and sold to gilmore from mr hatch and mike kearny...it did kearny mike s fathers blood -mike kearny sr white hackle blood in them and still till this day they will come spangle or dark ...!the next breeding that was the brown red and kearny out and out became the 42 hatch that jd perry dominated with-same fowl from same people except did not have the kearny white hackle in them...but mostly yellow leg ,and the black leggs made em all come od green legged.......believe it or not.....i knew collonel givens for over 40 years and he got his from lun gilmore in the early 40s and also got some of mike kearny jrs white hackles that was dark red and spangled.....and fought the kearny white hackle crosses at sunset and all over north alabama.....collenol givens and jimmy east were the handlers for john ovilan fowler from huntsville ala.when john fowler died jimmy kept has hatch birds and collenol givens kept the white hackles.....so the gilmores are 1/4 kearny whirte hackle-1/4 hatch- 1/2 brown red bred back to the 1/2 hatch 1/2 brown red and kept that way until he passed on- - - - still til this day all gilmores will throw a spangle every other year or so....depends on how there bred and where ya got them- - - so there is your facts- believe it or not- - - but if ya didnt get em from gilmore there yours MR KELSO* MADDIGAN*LAW*KEARNY*MORGAN* O 'CONNOR....there your birds- heres ya sign.......!
Lun Gilmore was the insperation of establishing the hatch name in the south,tTed mclain routed the hatch name when he was dominating with the hatch fowl,sweater came famous in the mid section of the country,jd perry and blondy roland,harold brown ,ben ford,frank steel ,and curtis blacwell made the hatch name in the south east......the fowl that gilmore aquired were theone that won the orlando tiurnament from mr hatch and would have payed any price for those fowl...and was a very sharp eyed man that could recognise an ace cock....that made him a true breeder and respected in the gamecock fraternity...sanford hatch told marvin anderson that lun had the best fowl of the dark breedings anywhere and he would do well with them....at that time lun whipped leiper in a fight that lasted 6 hrs and 10 min.....both men strived on deep game fowl..as did all long heel men of the south at the turn of the century untill there deaths.....
The story has it, and alot of the old timers in Alabama know of this as i was told by one of Ted Mcleans yard boys, Mr Mclean and Mr Gilmore had fought a couple of "Hatch" cocks with gaffs on to see who was the better of the two for future use in the brood pens (Cockers back in the days would use such selection), both being green legged and pea combed, both very good birds, but the Hatch cock that Mr Mclean held and released totally demolished the other cock, as the story was told to me, the cock that won that match up was taken by Mr Mclean to be set as his brood cock for the upcoming breeding season, the other cock that Mr Gilmore released and handled was hurt pretty bad but lived because most of the time in that little match up the cock Mr Gilmore had kept on running (Lack of Gameness). Mr Mclean told Mr Gilmore to get rid of it, but Mr Gilmore felt he should heal him up and breed him. So folks, this was told to me by an old timer during my quest to purchase a good Hatch bloodline, i dont know if theirs any truth to this, but im just relaying what i heard. Im sure their are good hatches out there in the Mcleans and Gilmores, but i suggest, if you pay money for a Hatch brood cock from any lines, no matter the cost or the name of the breeder, find out for yourself how game they really are by testing them, some people feel they shouldnt test them because of the name of the breeder they bought it from, but i assure you, it will save you time and money in the long run. if any of you is interested in good hatch blood, try Mr Paul Webster's Mclean Hatches, i bought me a brood stag and tested him myself and now hes a two timer in the LK, if you want Gilmores try Mr Harvard Stewart's (Marengo Creek) Gilmore Hatches, they are the best ive seen and they are coming from the orginal lines, dark green legged, pea combed, and darker in color. Mr Kurt McBryar, Gene Brown, Mike Lanier, and Mike Ramsey has awesome Hatches that are winning today.
Lun Gilmore: By BluffCreek :
lun gilmore was a cocker and a good friens of ben ford,they fought birds with and agianst each other for over 60 years..lun gilmore accired his birds direct from sanford hatch and mike kearny ...when mike crossed the kearny brown reds on the hatch birds they were awsome as any ever bred til this day...sanford wanted to breed em back to the yellow legged side but mike insisted on breedin them one more time to the brown red side and produced them to fight.fight they did and won some derbies against everyone at that time,he wanted to breed a cock of his fathers breeding which was the kerany whitehackle to the sanford ,kerany,kerany breedings- from this breeding he had 17 black birds with white specs in them and over 40 brownred lookin birds,,he then crossed these back on the brown reds-having the kearny white hackle in them and hatch blood they came all dark fowl with green leggs-mike give lun glimore 6 hens and one dark red cock to breed over them=this was the origination of the gilmore hatch fowl -and the ben ford fowl-these birds was given and sold to gilmore from mr hatch and mike kearny...it did kearny mike s fathers blood -mike kearny sr white hackle blood in them and still till this day they will come spangle or dark ...!the next breeding that was the brown red and kearny out and out became the 42 hatch that jd perry dominated with-same fowl from same people except did not have the kearny white hackle in them...but mostly yellow leg ,and the black leggs made em all come od green legged.......believe it or not.....i knew collonel givens for over 40 years and he got his from lun gilmore in the early 40s and also got some of mike kearny jrs white hackles that was dark red and spangled.....and fought the kearny white hackle crosses at sunset and all over north alabama.....collenol givens and jimmy east were the handlers for john ovilan fowler from huntsville ala.when john fowler died jimmy kept has hatch birds and collenol givens kept the white hackles.....so the gilmores are 1/4 kearny whirte hackle-1/4 hatch- 1/2 brown red bred back to the 1/2 hatch 1/2 brown red and kept that way until he passed on- - - - still til this day all gilmores will throw a spangle every other year or so....depends on how there bred and where ya got them- - - so there is your facts- believe it or not- - - but if ya didnt get em from gilmore there yours MR KELSO* MADDIGAN*LAW*KEARNY*MORGAN* O 'CONNOR....there your birds- heres ya sign.......!
Lun Gilmore was the insperation of establishing the hatch name in the south,tTed mclain routed the hatch name when he was dominating with the hatch fowl,sweater came famous in the mid section of the country,jd perry and blondy roland,harold brown ,ben ford,frank steel ,and curtis blacwell made the hatch name in the south east......the fowl that gilmore aquired were theone that won the orlando tiurnament from mr hatch and would have payed any price for those fowl...and was a very sharp eyed man that could recognise an ace cock....that made him a true breeder and respected in the gamecock fraternity...sanford hatch told marvin anderson that lun had the best fowl of the dark breedings anywhere and he would do well with them....at that time lun whipped leiper in a fight that lasted 6 hrs and 10 min.....both men strived on deep game fowl..as did all long heel men of the south at the turn of the century untill there deaths.....