Post by longfeathers on Oct 21, 2005 18:19:45 GMT -5
I googled it and came up with a couple of good pics, but do you have a source for the history of these? When I was active, this was the base breed for my birds. They were and always will be my favorite. Not much bottom at all, but high flying and smart. Critics always like to say that they were'nt dead game, but I never had one run or quit on me. Of course, most of the ones that were used in competition were battle crosses, but I used a few pure. Anyway, I would love to know what their history is.
I will try and give you the best of the make up of the Pumpkin Hulseys as I can.There are several theories from GameRooster. This is one theory.
I will try and give you the best of the make up of the Pumpkin Hulseys as I can. They were first breed up by E H Hulsey.There make up were a cross of Yellow Birchen [they were a pumpkin white hackel type] and Greek Fire [another type of pumpkin white hackel ] That was the first cross then E H Hulsey set them in a line to be breed on up till this time .They are straight comb,red eyed,some come with either yellow or white legs and beaks.They come in colors of light to dark pumpkin with splashes of white in there under hackels. They have white streamers and can have white tails totally or pumpkin tails with splashes of white threw out . As for the lime green leg color there was some red quill infused in to some familys but the full blooded Pumpkin Hulseys come as the above discription. As for Travis Carters Pumpkin Hulseys I do not know any thing about there make up . But the Goldens you are talking about I do know alot about them .In the mid 80 s Travis came from Cal. to see me fight the Goldens.As they were under my care in total. I was breeding ,rearing,training,heeling and handleing them.I was pardners with Billy Bob Taylor of Ok.He was the owner of that family of fowl .At that time they were being breed here in TEXAS.Mr. Travis came to Ok to see me fight the Goldens. But I didnt get to fight them as I came down for two weeks with the flu. So he didnt get to see them compete.But he did take a trio back to Cal .with him. Billy Bob traded a trio of Goldens for a trio of the Carter Hulseys.So thats how Mr. carter got the Goldens. Here is the make up of the Goldens.The first mateing was made by Doddie Aldredson of In. The hen side was a Hooiser Round Head[allen roundhead]andGreek Fire[whitehackel]half and half.The cock side was a crossed cock from Mike Ratliff. He was half pumpkin Bell roundhead [from Elmer Bell the famed breeder of the Bell round heads]the other half was a little General from Mike Ratliff.This half breed cock was a gift from Mike to Doddie. These two fowl were crossed together to make the Goldens in a peach orchard at Doddies.Billy Bob was there visting him and saw the hen in the peach orchard runing with 9 biddies.Billy Bob praised the hen and the biddies so much Doddie gave the hen and biddies to Billy Bob.Doddie could not give the cock to him as Doddie said he was a gift so he had to stay .So Billy Bob took them back to Ok. There Billy Bob spent the next 10 years setting them in a line and they are carryed on today still here in TEXAS. Go look at this link ---Best I can do--hope it helps.
Post by longfeathers on Oct 24, 2005 12:14:22 GMT -5
Hey Thanks BW,
That was a great link. Some of the stories that get (mis)told are kind of funny. Larry Carter lived less than half a mile from me. I met him when I was about 17 yrs old. For many years, most of my time was spent at his house, even staying overnight at times. We used to also hog hunt together, and would get back extremely late. Travis is his son, and when Larry started calling them "Travis Pumpkins", Travis was about 6-7 yrs old, . Even though for personal reasons, Larry and parted company on not so good terms, I credit him with much of my knowledge. Not only in game fowl, but many other activities that we did (we also both liked Team Roping) Got a humorous, but long story (darn, all my stories are kinda long, aren't they?). Anyway, as I mentioned, I fought with Larry for quite a few years. I would call us partners, but I think I was more of the grunt around the cock-yard, . We went to a hackfight/derby. There were some guys from Pismo Beach that were set up right next to us. They had some very good looking yellow legged, straight combed,white birds. As luck had it, we got matched up with one of these birds. We actually gave a few ounces, but were still pretty confident. Our Pumpkins broke very high, and were deadly on the first fly. Well, we pitted, and I swear to you that I looked "UP" (above my head) to see their white bird top our pumpkin, and drive him all the way down. We were stunned. Well, other than that, we were having a pretty good day, until later when someone yelled "RAID". One of the things that Larry taught me, was never run without grabbing a box. When we got home and were unloading the boxes, one of them was that very same white bird. We used him over some Pumpkin hens. This produced some Red Pyle looking birds, Greys, and Reds. Larry didn't care for the "odd" colors, and I liked them, so he kept the Reds, and I got most of the others. These were the deadliest cutters I had ever seen. Along with that, they had almost the same style as the Pumpkins. Smart and careful, and of course, high breaking. It was only a couple of years later when we had our fall out. Well, we both ended up going to Copperstate that year. We ended up being matched against each other in one of the 3 cocks. Coincidentally, we had half brothers. His was a Red, mine was a grey, both were from the Pumpkin/White cross. I knew his bird well, as we had sparred him several times, but I also knew my grey. It was the 3rd fight, and he was going for the money. He was 2 and 0, and I was 1 and 1. He was partnered with Bill White, and they were both over there just laughing and taunting, yelling "duck soup" that it was "money in the bank". This started as soon as they found out they were matched into me, and continued right up until the fight. We pitted, and on the 2nd fly, my bird sank it. When they came down and faced each other, his Red started the death run, and mine finished him off. To say the least, I was ecstatic! I picked up my bird, held him high, and yelled "YA!" After the fight, a while later, Bill came up to me and said that after everything that Larry had done for me, and knowing that it was his money fight, I should have thrown the fight. Told me that I totally had wronged him. I replied "Ya know Bill, if you guys had not been over there hollering derogatory comments at me, I would have not even shown up out of respect for Larry. Tell him to think about that next time". Well, Larry's back in Calif now, after a short stay in Oklahoma. I still see him at ropings, and to this day, he will rarely speak to me, .
Lots of memories come back when I'm talking gamecocks.
Post by longfeathers on Oct 25, 2005 16:14:08 GMT -5
Nope, never was able to. I tried after returning home from school, as I wanted to get started again. I don't know if they were White Claret's or White Kelso's. I've been out of it so long, that I wouldn't even know where to start now.